One thing that is important in this discussion, something I think is being blurred, is a distinction about whose view this Blog represents The blog is one group's view, the IGP's and specifically the view of its author. And while Milton is one member of the NCUC, he does not represent the views of NCUC, but just of one of its prominent members. Yes, his voice is associated with NCUC as one of its founders, but he doesn't currently speak for the the NCUC as far as I know. and I do not think he meant this piece to be a NCUC statement. I agree with Bill's view and have argued the same in many places - the ALAC and the NCUC have to learn to work together. And we have to learn how to accept the view points of all of our respective members without necessarily attributing them to the entire groups. We also have to learn how to harness all the energy we spend slinging arrows and accusations at each other to actually achieve the goals of our respective memberships. Lets not let ourselves be divided and conquered. a.