I'll be honest with you Milton, almost everything I have done at ICANN has come with the warning that it's been tried before and it won't work. What people forget - but thankfully we are continually reminded of thanks to the Internet - is that if you give people the freedom and the reason to do something, particularly if it helps make things better, and they will make it happen. You just have to try not to control it. I can see the hard work that has gone into the NCUC website and the Facebook site but it is dry rather than inviting. Where are the reasons that people should join? Where is the poll asking for members' views? Where are the snappy memos outlining the big topic that the NCUC thinks is of greatest importance at the moment? Where is the evidence that NCUC members' input had a direct impact on events? Where is the blog giving members a first-hand view of what is going on? I know as well as anyone how tiring ICANN can be and how beaten down you can feel at times. But you need to find a way to re-energise yourself and for the NCUC that should be members clamouring to know what happened - because they read the paper and voted online and watched Robin on YouTube. If you shed off your cynical shell - at least with respect to this aspect of recruiting - you'll remember the positive reasons why people should get engaged in ICANN and the rest will follow from there. As an example - your point wrt universities above. I think you are approaching it the wrong way. Don't try to get official permission straight off. Get the professor interested in a personal capacity. Make it easy for him (or her) to join as an individual. Send them materials and ask them to vote. If you make it enticing enough, they will start following ICANN and then it is they who will go to their own university and explain why they need to take a more formal approach. Now I owe you some documents, so I will do them today. I also have the Business Constituency chasing me as you can see above. So long as people understand I am only one person, I will be happy to do all I can to pull in more people to these structures. Kieren