Kieren Thanks, this is a good start! I do appreciate your efforts, but you also need to understand the nature of the challenge, which I think you will as you sincerely attempt to develop more participation. Most of the obvious ideas you are proposing have been worked on for years. Not to say you can't adda few here and there, but we don't look to be talking about quantum leaps. E.G., I am a University Professor and hold positions at two Universities on two continents. We already have 5-10 University or Univeristy-based members, but I can tell you that getting a University-level decision (i.e., from a Chancellor) will be extremely difficult, and getting academics who are paid to teach and do research and administer their units to remain active in GNSO will be an even greater challenge. On IGF civil society, ahem, take a look at the 80+ organizations and individuals who signed up to support the NCSG charter (and were ignored by Denise and Robert). There you will find the bulk of IGF CS. NCUC already has a few (4-5) ISOC chapters as members, but here is an area where we could make progress, insofar as local ISOC chapters are real. Please understand, I am not discouraging you, and I sincerely welcome your efforts. But I also think our own efforts deserve a lot more respect from ICANN staff and the more you engage in this kind of constructive recruiting the more you will understand about that.