So, despite ourselves, I think we can work together on improving this. I am going to produce a plain language version of the eligibility requirements. If you then agree as the NCUC to accept that document, I will get ICANN to translate it into the five UN languages. I will also take your reasons for joining the NCUC and work on them. They don't seem very enticing to me at the moment. Again, if the NCUC then accepts that document, I will have it translated into the five UN languages. What will need to do then is compile a list of entities that we think should or would want to be a member of the NCUC and approach them directly. My first thoughts on this - and I am sure you can come up with others: * Universities - the NCUC is the perfect place for universities - and there are loads these days studying Internet issues and Internet governance. It can't be that hard to compile a list of relevant people. I don't know if there is a catch-all worldwide list of universities but there will be something. * ISOC chapters. To my mind, every ISOC chapter should be a member of the NCUC. I may be missing some historical context but this is a no-brainer to my mind. It is easy to track down ISOC chapters. I also know a few people at the top of ISOC, so they would all be good to approach. * IGF Civil Society Groups - if they are going to the IGF, chances are they would be interested in ICANN as well. The NCUC's current members know the IGF very well. I know most actors in the IGF pretty well too. Let's compile a list and start making calls. So those are my promises to you. What can you promise back if this is to be a fruitful partnership? Kieren